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An alternative theory of | Arguments against "Early Dated" Papryi Fragments | Web Publication by Mountain Man Graphics, Australia
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and perception and inference
together with their fallacies
are useful for self-understanding"
-- Dignaga (India, about 550AD)

PreConstantinian papyrii fragments and manuscripts |
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The Bodmer papyri: The major papyri in this collection are p66, p72, p75.
p66: 150-200 CE, contains almost all of the Gospel of John
p72: 200's, containing all of I & II Peter, Jude
p75: 175-200 CE, contains most of Luke 3-18, 22-24; John 1-15.
The Rylands papyrus: Asserted to be the earliest surviving new testament fragment of a papyrus codex containing John 18:31-33, and 37. It has been dated from 130 CE.
Other papyrii: Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 658 dated to 250 CE, P. Oxy. 1464 dated to 250 CE, P. Oxy. 2990 dated to the third century, and a whole swag of others.

Dating process: paleography |
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While it may be reliable, paleographic assessment is only an estimate, it will not usually detect forged handwriting. For example, if a manuscript were to be written in 325 CE, but in the more ancient Hadrian script, the paleographic assessment would tend to place the MS in the time of Hadrian. Paleographic assessment cannot be relied upon as a primary method of dating, unlike C14 analysis, or a dated fragment, for example.

Oxyrhynchus Population Demographics |
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The city is described then as dual -- one city inside the walls became so overcrowed that another then formed outside the walls. The claim that anyone has walked into Oxyrhynchus and managed to find 2nd and/or 3rd century "christian papyri fragments" is not supported by the demographic evidence. Grenfell and Hunt employ local Egyptians at a few pence per day to gather up the fragments from over seventeen ancient rubbish dumps around Oxyrhynchus.

The fragments are then securely packed in biscuit tins and placed into a series of over 900 brief cases sized boxes and sent back to Oxford in the early twentieth century. Perhaps detailed academic analysis has made its way through at least 128 boxes to date.
The conjecture that the papyri fragments from the Oxy tips predate the extreme explosion of its population demographics is not logical. Neither does it seem to be supported by the carbon dating process. .

Oxyrhynchus Coins - An Analysis following Milne |
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Dating process: C14 Radio-Carbon Dating Analysis |
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Our response to this mass of paleographic dating before the time of Constantine is to urge a carbon dating process to be undertaken on any of these purported NT fragments or manuscripts. This will either lend support to the existing paleopgraphic dating, or it will not. Unfortunately these fragments are not amenable to C14 analysis due to their contamination with the environment, and manual handling in the modern epoch by the archaeological teams.
To my knowledge (2006) there has been no results published in respect of any carbon dating test of a manuscript or fragment of the new testament canon.
The two extant C14 citations in the field are both in respect of non canonicaltexts:
(1) 348 CE (+/- 60 years for the Nag Hammadi Codices containing Gospel of Thomas)
This result may be depicted diagramatically as follows:
(2) 280 CE (+/- 60 years) for the Ahkim Codex containing the Gospel of Judas.
This result may be depicted diagramatically as follows. However in this instance it should be noted that in this case, most of the members of the investigative teams prefer a date in the fourth century.
NOTE: The following Analysis is to be revised
Resultant C14 Dated "Bell Curve" for the two indendent C14 test results
Since we have two independent C14 test results, they may be averaged, with the following result. The peak probability is clustered around the year 319 CE and the range has now become plus of minus 42 years. Here is the corresponding diagram, showing the averaged results to be 319 CE (+/- 42 years)
COMPOSITE DRAFT PRESENTATION
PREDICTION
This provides an opportunity of making a prediction, namely that the carbon dating (or any new technology) of any NT manuscript or fragment will yield a date no earlier than Constantine. Further, it is envisaged that technological advances may yield a new method of dating such archaeological fragments, perhaps for example, a method to detect the age of the oldest water molecules in the specimen, without having to destroy the specimen. Such technology may arise from multi-spectral imaging.

The Fragments are from Codices - not Scrolls |
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The Comparanda are all taken from "Common Empire Scribes" |
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If scholars are using other fragments of writings from the early centuries to serve as benchmarks for the dating of the handwriting, is not the assumption that the collection of scribes' handwriting were somehow all representative of their century and station in the milieu. The comparanda include all sorts of common documents, prepared by common people who were scribes of the common and everyday empire. In contrast, the "christian" people who were supposedly copying the new testament texts were some form of secret society, underground and out of sight - to all intents and purposes some form of insular and separated group. We might assume they did not "subcontract" their NT copying to the common scribes of the empire. This suggests that the principles of comparanda (used to date the fragments by comparing scribal handwriting) might be stretched to the limit. The New Testament scribes were not the common everyday scribes in the empire.

Extract from Milne's 'A History of Roman Egypt' |
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A HISTORY OF EGYPT ROMAN EGYPT CHAPTER I THE ORGANISATION OF EGYPT UNDER THE ROMANS THE conquest of Egypt by the Romans produced little change In the internal organisation of the country. It was always the policy of Roman statesmen, when a country possessing" a fully developed system of govern- ment was added to their empire, to interfere as little as possible with existing institutions ; and there was a special reason in the case of Egypt for adopting this course. The country was, In a sense, the personal spoil of Augustus ; while the older provinces of the Roman Empire had been won from foreign kings for the Republic by its generals and with Its armies, Egypt was the fruit of his victory over a Roman rival, albeit a recreant to Roman ideas ; and, as the personal pro- perty of that rival's wife, was confiscated for the private benefit of the victor. 2. The elaborate system of government which had gradually been developed by the native and Greek kings was therefore taken over bodily by the Roman emperors. In all probability the lower grades of officials were left to complete their terms of office : even in so high a position as that of epistrategos there is found a Greek, Ptolemaios, the son of Henikleides, thirteen years after the conquest ; W and as in later times that post was always held by a Roman, it may be presumed that he had continued in his place undis- turbed by the change of dynasty. For, indeed, the Roman conquest of Egypt was practically nothing more than a change of dynasty, and was attended by far less disturbance than had many times been caused by the transference of power In the time of the native kings, 3. In the course which Augustus chose to follow with regard to the government of Egypt, he was guided partly by his personal claim explained above, and partly by considerations of prudence : ^ the country was rich, and could easily furnish the materials for supporting a revolt ; while, at the same time, anyone who held Egypt could cause great inconvenience to the population of Rome without any further hostile measures than simply stopping the export of corn from Alexandria, and could thus practically starve Rome to his side, as Vespasian proposed to do.^ More- over, Egypt was difficult of access, especially from Rome : there was only one harbour on the Mediter- ranean coast available for large vessels, at Alexandria ;^ and the approaches by land across the deserts, either from east or west, were dangerous for a body of any large number of men. The Egyptians, too, were always ready for a disturbance ; the most trivial question would raise faction-fights among the crowds of various nations and beliefs who inhabited Alex- andria/ 5 ) while the inhabitants of the upper country from time to time took up arms to settle their local grievances ; < (i ) and from such small beginnings there might arise serious troubles, unless prompt and vigorous measures were taken. In all these reasons lay a great argument for autocratic rule, which could act on such an occasion without the danger of delay which might arise from the necessity of consulting the senate, purely formal as the consultation might be, to get con- sent to measures which seemed good to the emperor. 4. Egypt was therefore treated as the personal domain of the Roman emperor ; and from him, directly or indirectly, all the Egyptian officials held their posts. To guard against any possibility of senatorial inter- ference, no member of the senate was allowed to take office, or even to set foot, without the special leave of the emperor, in the country/ 7 ) The highest position that of prefect was usually filled by a Roman of equestrian rank ; < 8 > on one occasion at least a freed- man/ 9 ) and on one an Alexandrian/ 10 ) who had obtained the Roman citizenship, were placed in this office. 'The prefect, nominally a procurator of the emperor, was really a viceroy, taking" almost the whole part played in the system of government by the Greek kings. His power was limited only by the right of appeal to the emperor ; and he was head of every branch of the administration, financial, judicial, and military/ 11 ) The sum -total that was to be raised by taxation was determined by the emperor ; but the prefect was re- sponsible to him for the collection and transmission of the money to Rome/ 1 -) and consequently was par- ticularly concerned to supervise the collectors and other subordinate officials, with a view of keeping in check their exactions, which tended to diminish the revenues of the state ; ( 13 > and also had to decide upon claims of exemption from taxation made by commun- ities or individuals/ 11 ) The judicial duties of the prefect, which theoretically embraced all cases, both civil and criminal, were lightened by the .delegation of authority to lower officials;^ 5 ) but large numbers of legal questions came before him for settlement, as petitions for the redress of injuries could be addressed directly to him/ 1 *') and he received appeals or references from the inferior courts/ 17 ) He went on circuit throughout the country, probably every year, to try such causes/ 18 ) He was also specially concerned to inquire into the efficiency of the police of the various districts/ 19 ) The nominations to subordinate offices and liturgies, and appeals against them, also came before him;( 2 ) and from him emanated the orders for official inquiries and returns, such as the census lists of persons and property of all kinds which were constantly required, and for the safe keeping of these and other records/- 1 ) All the troops in Egypt were under his control, and their complaints and disputes were specially referred to him for decision/ 2 -) He held office at the will of the emperor, and was not, apparently, appointed for any definite period ; C 23 > the longest recorded tenure of the office being that of Vitrasius Pollio, who was in Egypt for upwards of sixteen years : W and he was assisted by a council of Romans, who sat in the prsetorium/ 25 )
